Mr. Ramkrishnan Iyer, You have fully got it all wrong. I never once said that god hascreated animals to be eaten, nor have I critisized mr. Santhana Bharath. In fact I had praised him for his efforts and thoughts. But you sir, have got it all wrong.
You can't force people to do something sir, PETA, menaka gandhi, all these people are doing a great job, and I respect them a lot. But just because we are Non-veg doesn't make us uncivilised. We are also well educated, our parents have also taught us to pray to god. respect other beings and all.
Sir, I simply believe in one fact, That is god created people to be same as well as different at the same time. Coz he didn't want there to be chaos. Wheather god wanted human beings to eat animals and all, that I can't say nor even you can say that for sure. Coz we have not met god.
Sir, and the other thing about being cruel and killings and all, blood shed, isnt it too much of a hyped up thought by you. one may say also say so about plants in the same way... they are being tortured and uprooted from thier roots. and what abt fruits they are supposed to be the kids. some raw mangoes are plucked seperated from the mother. Oh my god. Doesn't it all seem bollywood funny. Sir, dont hype up the situation. It is nothing like that at all sir. And my dear sir there are far more bigger issues in life than being a veg or non veg, like religious wars and terrorisms. Lets concentrate more on humans and then the other animals.
And sir, One last thing.one of my best friends is an Iyer brahmin, whenevrwe go out restaurants, he orders veg, I order sometimes non veg. we both laugh, enjoy and party.Sir, he has no problem nor have I. he never said any degrading word to me, nor have I about him about our cultures or anything. That's friendship. Let us all be like that, and not argue, or force anyone to do anything. hope you dont misunderstand this letter as a criticism, coz this ain't, this is a heartfelt letter to a friend, explaining about the other point of view.
Thank you for your insight on the topic my friend.
with regards,
Rejish G
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Ramakrishnan Iyer <ramaiyer9@gmail.com> wrote:
I fully agree to Mr. Santhana Bharath and I was amazed the way he explained about eating non-veg foods. If you see the sufferings and pains being undergone by the animals slaughtered, particularly cow, bull, pigs etc (big animals) and the blodd shred while they are being tortured and killed, I do not think anybody would agree to adhere to non-veg eating habits, which is unhealthy, inhugenic and is always leading to all sort of sickness. Many people who were non-vegetarian are being tuned to vegetarian and in fact big body like PETA promotes vegetarian.
You cannot say that God has created animals only to be eaten. Then human beings have also been created by the God and why their flesh is not being eaten by the non-veg people?With Best Wishes and always being a pure Vegetarian from the birthRAMA
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:39 AM, rejish Gopinath <rejishg7685@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr. Santhana,
I am an avid follower of keralites group. I was really impressed by the way you researched on the subject. Both scientific as well as mythological. But still I would have to disagree on the matter. This was clearly a mail where you are infact persuading people to become vegetarian.
Sir, First for the mythological point of view, clearly you are considering only Hindu religion, there are other religions too for example christians. Meat was one of the main dishes for them. Sir, I am a hindu myself and I understood what you mean to say, maybe I did not knew about Tama and all. But I got the point. But now my question Is God created us all...forget hindu, christian, muslim etc. There is one god, he created us all. And I believe that if he really wanted us to be vegetarians he would have created us to be like that.
As for Medical uses you can't disregard its importance, C'mon sir, evn certain brahmins, are asked by doctor's to have eggs. Fish cod liver oil is recommended for all kids. It helps in strengthening thier bones.
As for environmental point, the killing and sinning. Please Mr. bharath, that's just a one way point made by you. I am a science student. and one of the first things we are thought in science is the food chain and the echological balance. If snakes don't eat rat, then field's get affected, which affects farmers. which affects us. This is basic 3rd grade science book lesson.
Overall Mr bharath please dont feel bad or, think that I am contradicting your statements, or I am justifying that eating nonveg is good. But the reality is that there is always a line to everything. You should not cross the limit. Meat and chicken are okay. there are poultry farms for that, but some people hunt the rare and endangered species, which angers me the most. That is not good for anyone. We should be a little bit more civilised than that. As for my conclusion I will just say that eating Veg or non-veg doesn't make a person bad. Also it all depends on your parents and how they bought you up. different cultures different rules, nothing wrong in it.
Thanks for such a mail mr. bharath, I really enjoyed reading such informative session.
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sanathana Bharath <sanathanabharath@yahoo.com> wrote:VEG OR NON-VEG : "TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT"Food at a subtle level, it too is made up of the sattva, raja and tama components.However since most people do not do spiritual practice this tama component accumulates in a persons body, mind and intellect.
The proportions of these subtle components vary depending on the type of food.
Sattva stands for purity and knowledge while tama denotes ignorance and inertia.
Anything that has a higher sattva component assists our spiritual journey and anything that is tama
predominant has a tendency to diminish or obstruct our spiritual practice.
Vegetarian food has more sattvic qualities than Non-vegetarian food while Non-vegetarian food has more Tamasic qualities than Vegetarian food.
The reason for the increased tama in non-vegetarian food is because of the extent of suffering of the animal, when it is being killed.
Also the thoughts of anger and revenge and pain in the animal when being killed are far more pronounced
as compared to a plant which has a rudimentary mind and intellect.
This is the main reason in the increased tama component.
While due to the higher sattvikta in fruits they are offered to God is ritualistic worship.
When tama predominant food is ingested on a regular basis the body is burdened with an excess of the tama component.
A rise in tama component in a person has many negative side-effects.
This tama component can only disintegrate if one is regularly doing spiritual practice.
Question : Botanical science tells us that plants also-have life.
Then where lays the difference between vegetarian and non-vegetarian food?
There are two kinds of life on earth, animate and inanimate.
Men, beasts, birds, fish etc. are animate life while trees and other plants are inanimate life.
Fruits ripen on the trees and then fall of by themselves, branches and leaves may be chopped off a tree and new one arises in their place.
Many plants are propagated by their cuttings. Others can be transplanted. But all this is not possible with birds and animals.
No limb of an animal can grow by itself after cutting. Man cannot produce animals like plants from earth.
All the living beings are made up of five elements - the earth, water, fire, air and sky.
All these five are present in man clearly and predominantly.
Only four elements - earth, water, fire and air are predominant in animals.
While in birds only three air, water and fire are predominant.
Two elements - earth and fire - make up the insects.
And only one element of water is predominant in fruits, leaves and vegetables etc.
The rest four elements are in sleeping state in vegetables and plants. Therefore, eating vegetable foods consumes the minimum of factors.
Saints and Sages do not pluck fruits from the trees, but they eat only those fruits which have fallen by themselves on ripening.
Minimum damage to life is the basic criterion. There is no harm in obtaining fruits from trees but harm lies in their cutting.
Question : Even when man treads the earth, many ants and insects are trodden under foot.
So, what is different if other animals are killed?
A man's character is judged by his intentions and deliberate actions.
If a man deliberately and knowingly crushes under his feet any harmless animal, then it is violence.
But if involuntarily or in unavoidable circumstances, some insects are killed, then it is an exceptional situation.
But to kill others without any specific reason or to abet killing for food is plain murder.
Question : Plants are also having life, so killing plants should also be a sin.
Why is veg food better than non-veg in terms of killing or committing "sin"?has come to this world because of their past Karmas and they have to live to the maximum doing "sadhana" (spiritual practices),
It is true that plants also have "life" and killing plants is also sin.
So the best way to observe total non-violence is to take only those fruits which have naturally fallen from the trees or plants.
In this way we are doing harm to no one. But everyone can not follow that vow. We have to take food in order to survive and sustain this body.
It is a necessity of survival. But we need to take that path which is less sinful and does less harm to other jivas (living entities).
Now there are two reasons to say that vegetarian food is having insignificant sin. Many of the plants like rice, wheat, etc
are having life only for one crop time. Once their yield is over, they die naturally, even if we don't cut them.
So by cutting those plants (which have already died) we are doing less sin or no sin at all.
In many other plants, like mango, coconut, etc., by plucking the fruit, we are not killing the plants, & are doing very minimal sin or no sin at all.
So vegetarian food is less sinful. More over, it is inevitable for our survival, but non-vegetarian food is a luxury to us
and we can survive even if we avoid that.
Next we need to know why certain acts are sinful. Each and every life (whether plant, animal, or human)
so that they can clear their karmic debts & may get a better birth next life or finally get "moksha" (liberation).Question : Dont plants also experience pain when killed?
By killing them, we are cutting short their opportunities to do "sadhana" towards their liberation (moksha). Thus it is much more sinful.
Yes, plants too experience pain when killed or parts of it are severed. The comprehension of pain however is less than animals.Theres a story of a great Indian Saint Gorakhnath.
This is because the mind and intellect of a plant is rudimentary as compared to animals.
However if a fruit or vegetable is plucked when it is fully ripe or has fallen from a tree there is relatively no pain to the plant.
Question : Does not eating meat give more strength?
Meat-eating gives the body not strength but a kind of unhealthy stimulation.
The body receives an excess of nitrogen which creates uric acid and other harmful compounds in the blood stream.
Just to expel these compounds from the body, a lot of energy is needed which the body's defense mechanism pumps up in a
hurry to meet the emergency. This is mistaken as an input of energy, although in fact it is a depletion of the body's reservoirs of energy.
Question : In olden days, the sages used to eat meat?
There is an incident of Agasthya Muni eating meat in the "Vathapi - Ilvala" story.
Yes, we do see some mention about such things in very old stories.
We need to understand clearly why and under what circumstances they used to consume meat.
Firstly, they used to take meat, but not as their regular food.
The animal would be offered to 'yajna', the sacred fire, and then the sages, having very high yogic power,
would consume the meat as a prasada of the yajna. Due to this auspicious activity (of yajna), the animal would go to the heavens.
In the story of Agusthya Muni, when he said ' vathapi jirno bhava', he was digested immediately. Such was the power of the sages in those days.
In olden days even if they consumed meat, they used to keep up their spiritual balance due to their yogic power or "tapas" (severe austerity).
One day, Saint Gorakhnath and his followers were walking down in a forest, when they happened to pass a dirty lake.
Saint Gorakhnath saw a few small fishes in the lake. So, he stopped and then bending forward towards the lake,
he caught a small fish with his hands and then gulped it down his wide open mouth.
His followers, who were watching his actions carefully were really taken aback to
see their spiritual master consuming non-vegetarian Fish !!!
So, they thought that if our master can have fish, so why cant we too?
And in turn they all looked for fishes in the dirty lake and like their master gulped a few down their throats.
Saint Gorakhnath who was silently watching the antics of his followers, then started moving ahead and so did his followers.
On the entire way Saint Gorakhnath was quite.
Finally after walking down quite a distance they reached a fresh water lake.
Seeing the fresh water lake, Saint Gorakhnath walked towards it and on reaching there,
he did some kriyas and out came the small fish alive which he had consumed earlier.
He spat out the fish into the fresh water lake and then looked towards his followers
and said - "NOW YOU ALL TOO DO THE SAME ! "....which of course none of the followers could do !!!
Signification of Saint Gorakhnath`s actions - He just wanted to remove the fish from the dirty water lake
and give it a better life in the fresh water lake. But his followers thought otherwise and had consumed the fish completely.
Moral of the story
YOU DON'T KNOW WHY DO GREAT SAINTS / SAGES DO THE THINGS THEY DO,
OR WHY DO THEY BEHAVE THE WAY THEY DO,
NOR SHOULD WE QUESTION THEIR STRANGE ACTIONS,
AS IT IS DONE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL & TO TEACH SOME LESSON TO THE WORLD.
YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT.
Non-vegetarian food has Acidic components while most of the vegetarian food has Alkali components.
& when the human body doesnt get enough alkalinity from our diet it absorbs our alkaline reserves from our bones/skin/hairA healthy body needs adequate alkaline reserves to neutralize the acidic levels in our body which are the main cause of all diseases
& other body organs thus weakening them resulting in hair fall/skin problems/joint pains/ from common cough/cold to cancer.An acidic balance will:
Decrease the body's ability to absorb minerals and other nutrients, decrease the energy production in the cells,
decrease it's ability to repair damaged cells, decrease it's ability to detoxify heavy metals, make tumor cells thrive,
and make it more susceptible to fatigue and illness.
Circulatory system:
In excessive acid conditions, bacteria, fungi or viruses can attach themselves to the inner wall of the arteries.
This can cause plaque to form, narrowing the artery and restricting blood flow, which in turn restricts the flow of oxygen and nutrients to tissues.
Heart attack and even cancer can result.
Nervous system:
When brain cells are too acidic they dysfunction and communication between brain cells and throughout the spinal cord is cut off,
which can result in dysfunction in other body systems. In the nervous system insomnia, anxiety, depression, neurosis, psychosis
and impaired memory can result from over acidity.
THE EFFECTS OF AN ACIDIC BODY ARE:
Cardiovascular damage, including the constriction of blood vessels and the reduction of oxygen.
Weight gain, obesity and diabetes.
Bladder and kidney conditions, including kidney stones.
Immune deficiency.
Acceleration of free radical damage, possibly contributing to cancerous mutations.
Hormone concerns.
Premature aging.
Osteoporosis; weak, brittle bones, hip fractures and bone spurs.
Joint pain, aching muscles and lactic acid buildup.
Low energy and chronic fatigue.
Slow digestion and elimination.
Yeast/fungal overgrowth.
Alkalinity creates. . .
Sense of oneness & harmony
Allows for friendly bacteria
Healthy organs & glands
Decreased body aches
Diminished illness
Relaxed behavior
Mucous less body
Cellular health
Well-being
Happiness
Acidity creates. . .SO MAKE SURE NO MATTER WHAT YOU EATBALANCE IT WITH ATLEAST 80% ALKALINE AND 20% ACIDIC DIET REGIME.
Irritability
Depression
Mucous build-up
Auto intoxication
Anxious behavior
Increased diseases
Cellular degradation
Increases body aches
Allows for bad bacteria
Sense of separation & pain
Alkaline minerals include calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium, chromium, selenium, and iron."If Vegetarians eat Vegetables, what do Humanitarians Eat ?".....anonymous
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